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Real Friends Interview | Bud Koenig: An Idahoan's Path to Kentucky and Christ-Centered Life
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Have you ever wondered what it's like to swap rugged Idaho for genteel Kentucky and how such a shift might change the pronunciation of your last name? Join us for a fascinating conversation with our friend, Bud Koenig, as we unpack his journey from the Gem State to the Bluegrass State, along with a funny anecdote about Evel Knievel jumping the Snake River.
Our chat steers us into life's thrilling rides as we share experiences about motorcycle adventures, transitioning from sports bikes to contemplating a gyrocopter. We also take a reflective turn into our personal faith journeys, reminiscing about life-changing retreats, and inspirational figures that guided us towards a Christ-centered life. We dive into the evolution of our spiritual walk, the birth of a nugget section in our church bulletin at Real Life, formerly Faith Created, and the profound impact of these experiences.
Laugh along with us as we field questions about the curious confusion between Idaho, Iowa, and Ohio in a rapid-fire round. We also share Matthew's intriguing passport story and our shared belief in the importance of faithfulness, availability, and a teachable spirit in our walk with Christ. It's about life's big changes, faith's profound impact, and the joy of sharing these journeys with real friends. Join us for this rollercoaster ride full of laughter, inspiration, and shared wisdom.
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Speaker 1Well , hello everybody . It's Chris May and you're listening to the Real Friends podcast . I'm here with my old Lutheran friend , Matthew .
Speaker 2That's right . Migrating down from the Midwest to bring my vanilla boring ways to your airwaves Well , not airwaves , but and we so appreciate it .
Speaker 1This is my second conversation and meeting with the Lutheran today .
Speaker 2Get out of here . There's two of us in the state of Kentucky , that's exactly right .
Speaker 1I met with my good friend , john Hallock , who is a he pastors a Lutheran church . Our AG guy who is credentialed through the Anglican church and pastors a Lutheran assembly .
Speaker 2We're about to do that right here in Richmond .
Speaker 1No , it's in Louisville .
Speaker 2Louisville . Okay , how is he ?
Speaker 1Just generally .
Speaker 2Yeah sure , How's he doing ?
Speaker 1He's awesome . That's good to hear .
Speaker 2How's his church Wonderful ? He loves it . Not that I'm thinking about commuting . There you go .
Speaker 1Well , you wouldn't want to drive a Louisville every day . Listen , if it was in Richmond , I wouldn't have told you about it . Fair enough , fair enough . So you are on the airwaves .
Speaker 2Sort of . I've been working slash auditioning for an afternoon drive position , so mid-afternoon to early evening . For which station ? It is the local country station here in Richmond . I'm one of a couple of different candidates and they keep bringing me in to audition and eventually they'll make a decision and we'll see what happens . I'm getting reacclimated to modern or modernish country music in all its glory . I grew up in my late teens and early 20s back home in Iowa as a top 40 DJ and my only country experience really was that for one year we changed formats before somebody bought us and changed us back to what we'd been doing .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , I'm not a fan of New Country , but I love the classic .
Speaker 2Nashville produced country that's a little on the pop side . I'm finding that to be an acquired taste at best , but that's not really where this station lives . This is more of a . I would say the average song is probably 94 . 1990s were really the greatest time commercially for country music , when it really started to hit the mainstream . So yeah , from doing one year on the air as a country DJ in Iowa , I'm actually familiar with the lion's share of what we're playing . So better lucky than good yeah that's the provenance of the Lord .
Speaker 2Sure , and what I'm hoping is that eventually we can combine the two projects and we'll just change one hour of the show to the real life , the real friends podcast . We'll just do that on the air from like five to six .
Speaker 1How nice would that be ? Yeah , just for people who listen to what they're doing in traffic . You are so gifted in this area , but you've got one obstacle , and that is you don't talk like us .
Speaker 2I don't sound like I'm from the area , which could be a minus . It's hard to say . It's probably not the most important thing , though .
Speaker 1So you were given a gift , though a book , to help you . What was that ?
Speaker 2Yes , that's right . The husband of your executive assistant , Thomas Folgen , gave me a book that I can't remember the title of , but essentially it is how to talk like in Kentucky and or how to talk like a southerner , and it's comedically presented and yet I'm sure a lot of it is very accurate . It's kind of Jeff Fox worthy ask in the words and phrases that it teaches things as simple as I at my vittles at being a past tense for eight in the region to longer phrases . But if they give me the job I'll probably try to incorporate that for a while before they make me stop .
Speaker 1But you've got to do it in an accent or no one will buy it .
Speaker 2I think me trying and not trying very hard to do it in the accent would probably be the best way to go . We've got a great show planned for today . Yes , somebody else who is not from the area and doesn't have much of a southern accent . I don't think he's acquired one that I've ever noticed before .
Speaker 1Bud King . Welcome to the show . Well , thank y'all for having me . I told you didn't have an accent .
Speaker 2Hey , listen , trying to get my job .
Speaker 1But right from the start here , I want to know how many people mispronounce your last name , because your last name is spelled K O E N I G .
Speaker 3Just about everybody .
Speaker 1Siri can't get it right .
Speaker 3I'll tell you that .
Speaker 2Siri can't get it right , and it is Kenig not Konig , correct ? It's more of a schwa sound in that first syllable , right Well ?
Speaker 3it depends on what part of Germany you're from to get the correct pronunciation , but my grandfather , if I remember right , pronounced it so it got you sneaking a little bit of that half half are in there , okay , so you know it just , it just depends .
Speaker 2It probably doesn't . As long as long as somebody's , you know , as long as somebody's bringing good food or something good to drink , you probably don't care how they pronounce your last name , do they ?
Speaker 3It can be Smith if they've got something good , I don't care , as long as it's you know good .
Speaker 2Hey you , chief Bob , anything will work .
Speaker 1So , bud , you live in Richmond now , but you were not from Kentucky . Where are you from ?
Speaker 3Yeah , originally I'm from the God's country , the great state of Idaho .
Speaker 2Big Sky Nation . What do you love ? What do you love about ? Because I would I would see a lot of commonalities not being from that far west or from this part of the country . What do you think sets Idaho apart from Kentucky or anywhere else that you've been or heard of Taters ?
Speaker 3man Taters . That's right , you got Jim Taters . I'm from southern Idaho , which is farmland . I had a ski resort about 30 minutes , 45 minutes maybe , behind me and I've never been snow skiing . I went skiing once with my dad . He was teaching me as a youngster . He'd put us in between his legs and ski and get a picture of my dad six to . He's got the spare tire and you know , when grandpa hits the , hits the full throttle , it's hard for that boat to pull him .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 3So we went under and I lost a ski . So I'm first time I ever water ski . I'm solemn and we're pining around the lake just having a grand old time . But what really makes a southern Idaho different , in my opinion , is Twin Falls and not the town , but the Shoshone Falls . Twin Falls Falls we have probably the prettier falls than Niagara . They're higher than Niagara . Not as much water will flow over it because our water is used for irrigation , but when it's come down in the spring in a fall , it's just , it's gorgeous . And you know I might be kind of prejudiced in that sense , but it's just . It's just gorgeous down there and peaceful on the Snake River . And one more thing saying talking about the Snake River is when evil can evil jump the Snake River . I was on my grandmother's roof and I watched .
Speaker 2Are you serious . Wow , that is fun . Get a lawn chair out up there or some potato snacks .
Speaker 3You know it was you know , and boom , he took off and he actually got to the other side . But when he they thought he read it out too soon . They you'll read out at five seconds after you launch it , but it was actually four seconds or something like that . So when he did that it automatically pulled the shoot . So he was over on Jerome County side and with the breeze it pushed him back into the Twin Falls side .
Speaker 2Oh no .
Speaker 3Unofficially yes , officially no .
Speaker 1So , speaking of motorcycles , you're a motorcycle guy X motorcycle guy . Yeah , you had a gold wing , right .
Speaker 3I've had two gold wings . I've had a Honda 250 Elsinore before and X .
Speaker 2Why did you ? Why did you retire from this ?
Speaker 3Bike is too heavy in the back , Said bub , you've had enough .
Speaker 2You weren't . You weren't prepared to go with and I think I can say this without it running too blue . You weren't prepared to switch to something smaller , I think what the kids would call a crotch rocket . That's it . Can I say that ?
Speaker 1Yeah , you can , I think I just yeah , that's exactly what it
Motorcycle Safety and Personal Experiences
Speaker 1is .
Speaker 3Personal opinion Sports bike Personal opinion . That is nothing but a death trap . I mean , you get these nut heads , you know , running up and down the highway a hundred miles an hour , a hundred and ten miles an hour , and they're doing wheelies and all this stuff and you know , all it takes is a bird and you're done , yeah . Or it takes that little little rock that you're not going to see and you're done .
Speaker 2Or if you're in town and you're doing that stuff , it takes grandma or grandpa to pull out because they're not expecting you , and You're done , yeah I would like to think that if you would switch to a uh , a smaller model , just for the sake of your back , that you probably would have kept it to double digits on the miles per hour . But I can see where you're coming from . In general , smaller is less stable , smaller is more vulnerable .
Speaker 3Yeah , I did have a Kawasaki 900 Vulcan which I rode all the time and I loved it , but it just couldn't go the long trips with me and Janet Wasn't that comfortable , so bumped back up to another goldwing and you know , the back just said that's it , we're done .
Speaker 2I've got one new word for you . Then just came to me , because it's something I've wanted for years gyrocopter .
Speaker 3Oh , that'd be awesome .
Speaker 2Oh wouldn't it , though , Whether you were here in Kentucky or taking that back , you know , flying over , flying over and around the falls . It's good enough for the German police . It ought to be good enough for us . That's what I say . Those things are great .
Speaker 1So I'll . I'm sure I've told you this before , but you know I used to have bikes and when in my early twenties I've had four different cruisers and I decided to give it up because when my youngest son , connor , was born I walk in the hospital with through the emergency room with my helmet I rode my motorcycle .
Speaker 1His car street strapped to the back , not really but , I , walk in there with my helmet and one of the nurses says asked me . She says hey , do you know what we call the season here ? I said what she says . What would she say Oregon ?
Speaker 3Oregon donation season .
Speaker 1And I said what are you talking about ? She said well , all the motorcycle accidents , we get so many organs during this time . That was it for me . And then you know , with people texting now I just couldn't do it . But but I had this . I couldn't afford a Harley like I wanted , so I had a Volusia , suzuki Volusia . It was only an 800 , but it was a big bodied bike and man , I was proud of that thing . So I take the Suzuki emblems off , put straight Cobra pipes on it , baffles out and try to make it as Harley is , as possible .
Speaker 1So so my pastor I was at a church , you know , true Life in Lexington an associate pastor , my lead pastor , comes over to my house . He sees my bike and he says man , I'm going to get one of those , I really like it . I said , yeah , that's great , let's do it . So he goes out , he buys one and he's riding one day , loves the bike . But he's riding one day on New Circle Road and he pulls up to a stoplight and there's some bikers next to him and he's got a guy on Harley you know a true biker right next to him and he leans over at the stoplight . He says hey , buddy , I like your bike and my pastor goes and thank you , he goes . My sister has one , just like it , oh , randy . Randy right that day , I believe , sold it and got him a Harley screaming eagle . So so , yeah , it's probably best not to ride bikes . I mean , there's so many distractions . It's always been somewhat dangerous , but with the distracted people today I always said I trust my driving , but it's everybody else I don't trust .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's everybody else's . Even if I could still ride , I don't know if I would , just for those very reasons . You know , I'm on the road five days a week on 75 and 64 and I drive a pilot Honda pilot and you can see down in the little cars and people reading books , texting , playing on the phone and they're doing 80 miles an hour .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 3How crazy is that .
Speaker 1Let's springboard off that somehow and talk about kind of after your high school years , because you didn't just live in Idaho and Kentucky , you've lived in other places as well . So you got a high school , you went into the army , went into the army . And , by the way , thank you for your service , and you lived in a few different places , right ?
Speaker 3Yeah , I was supposed to go to Germany after AIT . I went , went to Fort Knox At first time I was East of the Mississippi was basic training at Fort Knox which , to this northern boy , the humidity just about killed me . Sure , then I went down to Fort Rocker for my Healy training and was supposed to go to Germany because I wanted to see , you know , the mother country . Mom had terminal cancer so I was just hoping to , you know , get reassigned to Fort Carson , fort Ord , California , or Fort Lewis , washington . There I'd be close and could get home real quick . I wound up being stationed at Fort Douglas , utah , in the center of Salt Lake City , which is a recruiting command with duty in Twin Falls , idaho , for 18 months .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , that's good work , If you can get it .
Speaker 3So you know not exactly what I wanted , but you know it was , it was what it was . So after mom passed , went to Fort Polk Louisiana , met my wife .
Speaker 1She a raging Cajun .
Speaker 3No , not really , she , just Southern Bale . Okay , and before I had met her I had reenlisted for this brand new Medevac unit in the Republic of Panama . So we got married . I went to Panama , I was there three years . She was there basically two years , came back her last six to eight months at Fort Lewis , washington . Then we moved to the great state of Louisiana .
Speaker 2Just to confirm you may have said this . This is your wife's home state is Louisiana .
Speaker 3Yeah , she was born in Shreveport and at nine months of age they moved to the Cajun city of Apollousis , Louisiana .
Speaker 2Yeah , she doesn't carry the the accent , naturally , to this day , I don't think . But just for fun , once in a while she'll , when she's talking about back home , she'll switch over to it , it's ? It's almost unintelligible to this Northern boy , but it sure is fun to listen to . I'm a shadow .
Speaker 3I went to the store today to get a bread , or you know , at hey , we caught a rain today . So when I actually got out and was working down there for a fast food restaurant called Mr Cook , this lady and her daughter came in and she was mid twenties and her daughter was probably I don't know five , six , and they're speaking Creole French and I'm thinking , okay , I don't speak French . The little girl gets her mom's order and then relays it to me . So I placed the order , tell her how much it is , and then she tells mom how much it is in French and we go about her her day . So yeah , there was .
Speaker 2Yeah , you've got to be pretty deep in Bayou country , I think , to you know to speak Creole French , but not speak enough . I hate to use this phrase , but I'm just going to say the king's English , or regular English if you will , and it's not fair to call it that , but you know to be in America , you know , and then not , you know , you have to have somebody relight . That that's just fascinating . But I also think it's wonderful that there are , you know , still people that that culture is so ingrained and still so much completely their lives .
Speaker 1Well , I just wonder if you need an interpreter just for the regular people there in Louisiana , Cause I feel like that sometimes , I mean when I meet true Cajun folk when I first moved down there I was trying to find something .
Speaker 3So I was trying to sell these fire alarms and I was this old boy . He was Cajun , I could understand him pretty well , and we went to this old guy , this one of his friends house , and it hadn't not to this , this Northern boy , it had Mr Lege or Mr Ledger on the mailbox and thinking ledger , who in the world has the name ledger , mr Lege and you know , wound up working in Boeing in Lake Charles and made some real good friends with we're still good friends to this day . His name is Mickey Abert . I thought it was Hebert .
Speaker 3Oh , yeah , sign the letters all over the place , yeah so if you're down there long enough , you can understand what they're saying .
Speaker 1So my friend and I were in Tennessee once this is we were very young His mom took us to Gatlinburg and we wanted our hotel . Didn't have a pool , so we wanted to go to this other hotel . So we kind of go in there and this cop approaches us and I mean we're like maybe 12 , 13 . And he , he , he asked us , is you in stand here ? And I said , excuse me , is you in staying here ? That's how he said it . Is you in staying here ? And I said one more time , what ? And my friend Gopes , chris , he's asking if we are staying here . Have you heard this ? You in , is you in staying here ?
Speaker 2I haven't , no , I haven't caught that , and yet I can .
Speaker 1What are you in doing ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I can . There's a lot of different ways to pluralize you instead of just having it be the singular . I'm sure you've run into all sorts of things you know like that in Louisiana , strange to us , seeming different ways of you know talking about groups . And I'm still at a point where I don't understand . Cut off or cut on the lights , it doesn't even have to have an accent to it .
Speaker 3I don't understand how you can cut something on .
Speaker 2So do you speak any German as well or no ?
Speaker 3Don't cache .
Speaker 2A little bit , so you're at least trialing . Well , you've got . You've got American standard English , you've got Cajun or Cajun Creole and you've got some German . Anything else in the mix .
Speaker 3That's . That's only German .
Speaker 2Oh , okay .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , I speak dog German you know my dogs are trained in . German , so I know plots and seats in . Voron and yeah , I don't know Few of those commands , so anyways . So when did you retire from the army , or did you retire ?
Speaker 3I didn't retire . I got out in April of 83 , which just put me just was the April of May , about 65 , 85 days short of seven years . So it was the decision had to be made . Okay , if I reenlist , it puts me over 10 years . And if you go over 10 years you stay to 20 , or you know 25 or 30 , you know whatever . And so it's either we reenlist and stay in , make it a career , or we get out .
Speaker 1now Do you feel like you made the right decision ?
Speaker 3Sometimes yes and sometimes no . So you know , working with guys that are retired military , you know , sometimes you kind of wonder , you know , if I'd have stayed 13 more years . Think about it , just 13 more years .
Speaker 2Which probably at the time seemed like an eternity . Oh yeah .
Speaker 1But you would have been retired . How long now ?
Speaker 3I would have been retired . Well , I would have retired when I was . If I were retired at 20 , would have been 38 , 39. , and I turned 65 , so in June .
Speaker 2So yeah , a long time . Yeah , you can begin in that quarter that half pension and , you know , start a whole second career . But what is it you're doing now ?
Speaker 3then I work for Lockheed and I'm a quality inspector and we'll just leave it at that because I'm under security clearance .
Speaker 1Yeah , you could tell us , but you have to kill us .
Speaker 2I tell you you don't have to kill you .
Speaker 1Gotcha .
Speaker 2Are you allowed to say what sorts of things that you work on , like what general type of machinations , or can you ?
Speaker 3not even go that far . It's rotary wing aircraft . Okay , we'll just , if you want to know what I do , watch Black Hawk down .
Spiritual Background and Church Journey
Speaker 1So what about your spiritual background ? Did you grow up in church ? I ?
Speaker 3grew up a heathen , Did you ? Yeah , I was . You know , my grandmother went to the Presbyterian church in Twin Falls and I would go with her , Believe it or not . When they would bring singers up from the Lawrence Welk show to do specials , I would do anything to spend the night with Grandma and go to church with her and my mom and dad went on and off . So then after they split , no , we were just basically , you know , just raised in the world when we moved to Kimberly . One of my best friends in high school I gave him the hardest time . He was the new PK in town . Sure , I gave him the hardest time and John and I became very good friends and it was through him and another guy that I started going to the Methodist youth group , say , got saved . You know , we'd go up into mountains and do retreats and everything . So that's really the beginning of my spiritual journey .
Speaker 1Yeah , and then you kind of fell away , but in Fort Polk right .
Speaker 3Yeah , I fell away . You know I cannot walk the high wire . You know you can't do that . I mean you're either full in or full out and you can't walk the wire . If you're going to be a follower of Christ , you just can't do it . We had a pilot , went home , came back saved , full of the Holy Spirit and everything , and you know he was talking to us crew chiefs . He says , man , we're in revival , we're starting revival tonight . He goes . If y'all want to go , I'll come pick you up . And a couple of us said , sure , he goes , I'll be at your room at seven o'clock . I said OK , and I'm looking at my watch going five , four , three , two , seven o'clock I mean on the nose , seven o'clock . So we went with him and I'll never forget this Evangelist duck out of Houston , texas was the evangelist .
Speaker 2I'm sorry , I need to judge his rule . And so this was a cartoon character , a mascot , or this was a last name or just a singular name person ?
Speaker 3His last name was duck .
Speaker 1OK , I was not well known evangelist . I've never heard of .
Speaker 3Well , you're , you're young pastor . I mean , this was in 78 , 79 .
Speaker 1OK , I was one .
Speaker 3Yeah , 78 would have been November or 78 . So it's possible .
Speaker 1I could have heard of him .
Speaker 3I just maybe out of Houston , texas . You know I'm sitting there and you know there he's wrapping it up and it was a really good anointed service . And you know I'm feeling the nudge of the Holy Spirit and I'm not doing this , I'm not doing this . And then the next thing , I know it's like he said yes , you are . And he grabs me by the nap of the neck and takes me down to the altar and you know , I surrendered my life to Christ .
Speaker 2Your friend did this , or the evangelist did this ? No , the Holy Spirit did . Oh , I wanted to see who was the duck that took you down there .
Speaker 3I thought the duck came for him . No , it was just . You know it was . It was really the Holy Spirit and before I knew what was happening , I was . I was at the altar and you know , we prayed to receive Christ . And then you know who wants to be filled with the baptism of the Holy Spirit ? Hey , why not ? I'm here , you know , raise my hands and , you know , filled with the Holy Spirit .
Speaker 1So so let's fast forward now to and you are a big part of our church what brought you to real life .
Speaker 3Well , I , we were going to a cell church in Lexington .
Speaker 1Explain what that is , because it's it is not a prison cell , correct ?
Speaker 3No , it's not a prison cell . We were a cell based church where we met in different people's homes and then every other Saturday we met at this church as a functioning body and the whole goal was to go there and learn how to run a cell church , because we we thought at one time that we may be going to some very good friends that lived in Mescuda , Illinois that we met in Panama he's retired Air Force and going there and starting a cell based church and so basically went there to learn how to to do that and wound up staying there 12 years . So it got to the point where I was working in the hangars , working 12 hour days , seven days a week , was missing a lot of church , and when that stopped it was like , OK , I just got home , now I have to go back to Lexington and you know , I said you know , this is not working . I have to find something in Richmond . So we started visiting these other churches and our very first church that we went to when we moved to Kentucky 30 , some odd years ago , was Faith created .
Speaker 3You don't know this probably , but I used to go in on Sunday morning to make the bulletin . Oh , I did not know that .
Speaker 1And just for our listeners Faith created is the former name of our church .
Speaker 3Right , and you know I had a desk in there , I had all my sermons and you know everything in there , which is long gone now . But yeah , my first experience on computers and you all know me , I'm not a computer nerd , struggle with him . So I'm on this computer . You know , sometimes we'd get to bulletin and you'd have to , you know it was , you know the printed fold , and you'd open it and it'd be upside down so you'd have to turn upside down so but yeah , we used to do that and I put a little nugget in there called the golden nugget , on something I take out . A scripture could be Old Testament , New Testament , put that in there . So and who was the ?
Speaker 1pastor , then Was that Pastor Gordon .
Speaker 3Pastor Gordon yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . Then we needed something for the kids so we went over to it's called Journey . Now Was there a while . And then I was a youth pastor for a harvest fellowship for a while . I don't know why , but you know I was . So I am licensed , or was it's not active right now ? I resigned there to do this the cell church and when we started coming back I ran into Janie and she goes yeah , y'all need to come visit , y'all need to come visit y'all . So we were just about ready to go to this other church .
Speaker 1This is .
Speaker 3Janie Rosenbaum yeah .
Speaker 1Janie .
Speaker 3Rosenbaum and I said Janie , we need to go to Faith Created Not knowing the name had changed , so I knew the general location and I'm driving all around , all around . I said I can't find this church because when we first got here , one of the first churches we visited was the assembly god church here and it's before they built the NX on back there . And we walked in the back door and there was I don't know 15 , 20 people and they asked Janie , can you play the piano ? She goes , janie , she goes good .
Speaker 3Kind of play the piano when we sang hymns that night .
Speaker 1Had I known that when you all walked in , I would have so much to play .
Speaker 3So I look it up and I say it's on Glendon . I'm up and down the street trying to find Glendon . It's hidden between two signposts . When I go to a new church , I have a wall around me and I'm guarded because I don't know what these people are preaching . And the very first time we came , we came in , felt at home , felt the spirit there was , didn't need any walls and , just you know , felt really at home . And we got in the car and it really was pulling out of the parking lot and we looked at each other just about the same time when we both said each other . I think we found our home and it's been almost may will be eight years , because we're two years after you .
Speaker 3Well so yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , well , we're glad you're here , and not only do you attend here , but you're very , very involved in ministry . My favorite ministry that you do I've got to be honest is that you are our church cook and you are fantastic . How did you get into like culinary arts if you ?
Speaker 3Well , after my parents split , mom was working at the Tupperware plant and she worked eight hours a day , but she had to drive there and drive home and you know she was tired . She was battling cancer and so it was eat , cook or go hungry . So I ate a lot of burn food in the beginning , so I just basically self taught and before I met Jan , my plan was either going back home and joining the sheriff's office in Twin Falls or going to culinary school . Met her and everything changed .
Speaker 1Well , you don't . You didn't need school because you're fantastic .
Speaker 2Yeah , I'm wondering if we're going to you know , are we taking ? Are we taking a lunch break ? I didn't smell anything on our way in . I guess we're not . No , no , I said you're the guest , I guess that's probably . Maybe we should have brought food .
Speaker 1So at home do you do most of the cooking ?
Speaker 3I do a lot of it .
Speaker 1Do you let Jan help you ? That's what I want to know .
Speaker 3Yes and no . I mean in the old house we had a big kitchen so we both could be in there and work . But the newer house , the kitchen is a little smaller and we get in each other's way .
Speaker 1And I know something about you you don't like people to be in your kitchen .
Speaker 3I do not if they're in there mingling and not in there to assist get out .
Speaker 1Right , we've run into that a few times here , haven't we ?
Speaker 2Eating is social time , cooking is cooking time .
Speaker 3I do take it serious . I do believe it's a gift of service and if you're not in there helping get out of my way , yeah , so we're going to be cooking for us very soon .
Speaker 1we have a newcomer's lunch coming up .
Speaker 3You told me Mexican and you put it on the page as brunch .
Speaker 1So what is it ? It's a Mexican brunch . A Mexican brunch , all right .
Speaker 3Breakfast tacos . We can do that .
Speaker 1Yeah , we actually did that last time and we did like breakfast burritos didn't we ?
Speaker 3We did I think that was a time , but we haven't done it for so long . I don't remember we did do a brunch and then we did do a Mexican , I don't know which one it was yeah , well , you pick and I can change out the picture .
Speaker 2Nobody has signed up yet , so Well , no matter what's , whether it's Mexican brunch , which sounds delightful , or anything else . I'm curious about the particulars of this . I don't know a policy standpoint too . Is there enough time for me to like , let's say , resign my deaconship and my membership right now ? Rejoin and be a newcomer .
Speaker 1Here's the beauty of this as a deacon or an elder or a director , for that matter , or a podcast host . You get to attend should it be necessary , like if we have a lot of different people coming to this . We try to get some leaders . We want to leader at every table to engage the people .
Speaker 2So Can I be engaging with my mouth full ?
Speaker 1Absolutely .
Speaker 2All right , then I'm there .
Speaker 1So you are a church cook , but also you and Jan , as we talked about on by the way , she was just on the podcast and on her episode . We talked about your leadership in our young at heart group , which is our 55 and up , and you guys truly are young at heart .
Speaker 3We try to be .
Speaker 1You have more fun than any of our ministries .
Speaker 2I'm yeah , I get the feeling there's a lot more just stuff done and energy expended both in service and in just , you know , joyful fellowship than probably in any and this is not a knock on other ministries but it should be any other ministry .
Speaker 1Here I have a middle-aged people come up to me and they say , chris , we need something like the 55 and up group . My response is are you volunteering ?
Speaker 2Yeah , we have a new middle-aged group called teach kids church . That's right . That's how we can do that .
Speaker 1I know I kind of roped you into that ministry , but do you ?
Speaker 3enjoy it . I do enjoy it . It's fun , we have a blast . You know , the last time we went bowling it got a little competitive and I couldn't walk straight for about a week and a half and almost went to physical therapy and the chiropractor and everything . You get straightened out . So Safety first .
Speaker 2I don't know . I guess I'll ask it this way , then if anybody who's listening and is seasoned enough to be a part of that group I think that's a good diplomatic way to put that seasoned , should they talk to you first , or should they talk to your wife first , or does it really matter ?
Speaker 3It's probably better to get a hold of Jan , because you know she's retired and can talk any time of the day . Where I'm restricted , I cannot take phones into the workplace or anything like that . Yeah , give Jan a buzz and she'll be more happy to talk with you .
Speaker 2And she's a little bit easier to pick out in the services these days . I wonder has there been any discussion leaving the acronym the same but changing the name of the group YH to young at hair . For anybody who hasn't been in , shame on you .
Speaker 1I am so glad you brought this out .
Speaker 2I'll let Bud or Pastor . I figured it would be better if I took the blow back , in case it was hitting you , but you take this , I'm staying out of it .
Dying Hair and Finding Christian Community
Speaker 2Why Young at hair ? I think you know she's so young at heart that it's spread . She gave herself a special birthday present . Basically didn't she .
Speaker 3Our favorite color is purple . The color of royalty . She's teaching Jody's kids piano and she was , you know , talking about her hair and everything . And her daughter goes well , I'll help you dye it . She goes I'm going to dye pink . She goes I really help you dye it . And she goes what do you think ? I said I don't care , if you want to dye your hair , dye your hair , I don't care . Yeah , she dyed it , it's purple .
Speaker 2And do we have a surprise for you , bud , jan Folger , kids , come on in the supplies , the hair stuff we're doing Bud's hair . Did you want purple or something else , by the way ? And there is nobody coming in . Just for the record .
Speaker 3No , I told her . I said well , you .
Speaker 1You do you ? You died , I don't care .
Speaker 3So I'm going to shave my head ? No , you're not . You're not shaving your head , you're not going to be bald . She goes , but you agreed so to agree . So I'm going to go out on a limb and she'll probably hear this and I really don't care . But I'm not going to shave it bald , but I am going to get a high and tight flat top .
Speaker 2So I still have hair . I love that . Would you ? Would you would you ever consider coloring it ? Because you even get away with that at Lockheed .
Speaker 3Being the age I am and coloring my hair , I would probably get some very weird looks and I could see him in a platinum blonde .
Speaker 2I think that would go out . Oh no , no , no , no , no , no . Orange .
Speaker 3I mean , if we're going to do in favorite colors .
Speaker 1I walked in bud and I it was last Wednesday , right , that was the first time I saw her and I thought for sure it was a wig . I kind of laugh . And I said , oh , jan's got a wig on . It was not a wig , it's not a wig . I said , jan , is that going to ? I thought you know they had that temporary color . I said , jan , is that going to wash out ? And she said eventually . So I had already scheduled her on for Sunday . I may have second guessed that , had I not already done it , but for the worship team .
Speaker 2Oh goodness . Well , hopefully Jan is taking this all all in striding . Good fun , because we love Jan and we love the hair . Quite frankly I mean it really , really . I mean you talk about somebody who is , you know , seasoned enough to be in a younger hard group . I couldn't imagine anybody else wearing the purple hair seriously but her that we have , then she does .
Speaker 1That matches her personality .
Speaker 2Hopefully we haven't lost how's this for a second ? Hopefully we haven't lost Jan as a friend , even temporarily , by having some good natured fun about it , but with let's , let's , let's leapfrog , if we will , into some other things that really aren't related but that we want to get to . So when you walked , you two came to the church . You knew you were a home right away and I know the probably the biggest part of that was what was being preached , but I gather that you also sensed that you knew that you had found a family here , some you know , people to fellowship with and and live life with . What is , what is it that is so important to you and your wife about having about not just attending , but having Christian friends ?
Speaker 3Everybody needs that special friend . You have to have somebody that you feel comfortable with , that you can go to and say hey , I got this problem , this is between you and me . So it's it's very important to have somebody you can you can trust , and that was one of them . The other one was the worship was , from the first time we stepped into this church to today , has been nothing but outstanding and you know it flows with , with the spirit and everything . So , yeah , I take being trusted seriously . If someone comes to me and say hey and this happened a few months ago somebody comes to . Hey , you know , I gotta tell you this , don't tell anybody . And it was yada , yada , yada . Fine , hey , I don't have a problem with it . You know , god bless , y'all pray for you and we'll go on . And to this day Jan says well , what do you want ? I said I'm not telling you . I was told to keep it private . So if you tell me keep it private , I keep it private . I don't even tell my wife .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know what . But sometimes people will come to Nikki and you know they'll say oh , I'm sure you know about this , they've told me something and just assume that I tell my wife and she'll say I have no clue what you're talking about . He doesn't tell me anything unless you specify that , that's okay .
Speaker 3Now , if I say hey , you know I'm going through this . You know you can tell your wife , you know that's fine , but I expect it to stay between you and your wife absolutely .
Speaker 3So for the most encouraging words I heard the first Sunday we were here from Pastor Chris was we welcome you . But we want you to be where God wants you to be . If it's here , great . If it's another church , that's great . Go where God wants you to go . So it's not like oh good , new members , we're gonna keep you . You can't go anywhere . It was be where God wants you to be and get plugged in .
Loyalty and Spiritual Growth Importance
Speaker 1One of the things I so appreciate about you , bud . You're a very loyal person and you have defended me to the end , and I so appreciate that . If you ever have issue with me , you're comfortable enough to come to me . It's between us , but but you will fight for this church .
Speaker 3I will fight for this church .
Speaker 1I will lay my life down for this church and for my pastor and his family yeah , we know that you just been a , you are a huge encourager and through the years you know we've obviously we've been here almost nine years and we've been through , you know , through some ups and downs and in just right the the right moment , you have offered a word of encouragement . I just want to know how much I appreciate that .
Speaker 3Well , good , I'm glad to hear that , because you know , sometimes , you know you tell somebody , you know God give me a little word . And you know you think sometimes it falls on deaf ears , you know , and it doesn't mean anything to you , but the person you're telling it to it could , you know , make or break their week .
Speaker 1So yeah , we try Talking about just spiritual things , church things , how you know , with you not really growing up in a Christian necessarily home , how has your life changed since knowing Christ like truly knowing him ?
Speaker 3Oh it's , it's a work in progress , it really is , I guess . Well , I don't have to guess . I know I was a very angry young man , even , you know , married I was , I could go off , you know , boom , you know , it's just the prayers of my wife and her mom and dad . I had and I say that had because they've , you know , they're walking on streets gold right now the best in-laws . I mean they . Her dad sets example to me on how to be a man and how to be a Christian man . And you know what's important in in life , and it's not the big fancy cars , it's not the big homes , what is important is your relationship with Christ .
Speaker 1That's right . Those things will never satisfy your heart .
Speaker 3They won't satisfy your heart . Even though I want a truck , you know I don't need a big fancy truck , I just need something to get me back and forth to work and so I can throw some dirt or stuff in the back of it every now and then . You know I don't need these , just give me a nice truck but if you put stuff in the back that'll scratch the bed .
Speaker 2But nobody uses a truck as a truck anymore do they ?
Speaker 1No , they don't very few people Not .
Speaker 3if you put the spray liner in it , you don't scratch it .
Speaker 1Well you made a great point . So it's not just coming to I mean , coming to Christ is unbelievable and you are a new creation in him . But to really get the fullness of that relationship with Christ you need somebody like you said your father-in-law was kind of a mentor to you to disciple you . We all need somebody to not just tell us but show us how to live , someone who can say follow me as I follow Christ .
Speaker 3Right , yeah , and when he retired my mother-in-law was scared . You know what am I going to do with him around the house all day long ? Well , he may have retired from work from Texas Eastern Pipeline he was there 44 years , something like that at a pumping station . But after he retired he had more times to care for the widow and the widowers and he would go mow their yards , he would change their oil and their cars , he would change their brakes . Something need to be fixed at church .
Speaker 2He was there , he stayed active and you know , just because you retired from the job doesn't mean you retired from life oh no , retired , and I'm sure I'm not alone in knowing or observing this , but I mean it doesn't work for an audio format . But raise your hand if the retired people you know , that you know or in your lives aren't the busiest people that you know and the most active people . Everybody I know who is of that age is much busier in general once they've gotten rid of their 40 hour a week yeah , he was .
Speaker 3He was real busy . They were humble people . When they had their 50th , one of a wedding anniversary , we wanted to throw him a big shingding . They said no , we don't need it . We took him out to eat , went to a catfish place and that was good enough for them . They they didn't want all the bells and whistles and just just amazing people that you know they may not have come up and said look , you need to know , jesus Christ , you're gonna die and go to hell . They lived it . They lived the word . They may not have , you know , went out door knocking and you know , handing out pamphlets and all this , but they lived it . They lived the word and you know and you miss .
Speaker 1You mentioned that your walk with Christ is a work in progress and you just you mentioned you're 65 . You said right well , june 12th , I'll be June 16th we need to have a shindig for you , but we'll see if you're as humble as your father . But you talked about , you know , your Christian walk being a work in progress . So you've been saved many , many years , decades now , but we never stop growing in Christ . We never stop learning . I think that's important . You never arrive until until the Lord returns , we will not arrive right , right .
Speaker 3You don't stop learning . You learn something every day . I mean , you know , a failure is nothing but an opportunity to learn . If you make a mistake , don't look at as you know I messed up again . Look at it as an opportunity not to make that mistake again .
Speaker 1Turn it into a teaching and learning experience yeah , so as long as you've been reading the Bible , though , you're still learning right , still learn every day .
Speaker 2Oh , sanctification , you know . Purification , they're all well . You said it best , pastor , you never really arrived . You keep pursuing . That's why , you know , to circle back , ministry is like young at heart in various things that you know . You know you all aren't just getting together once a month and kicking your feet back and you know saying you know , look at us and what have ? You know , what have we done ? You're still doing , whether it's just enjoying each other's fellowship , going out and bowling , we're going on . You know . You know Christian , related to trips like going to see the Ark , the journey , you know , the journey really never ends , right ?
Speaker 3no , it doesn't and every time we meet we have someone teaches a little lesson . You know , it's not long or anything . When we met in January I did many years ago when we stationed at Fort Lewis we went to church of God and you know , he gave me the opportunity to preach one night , so on , and God gave me a message in a dream , called fat , and I get up on stage and get behind there and I said aren't you all glad that we have a fat pastor ? And his wife laughs , the congregation is laughing and he's looking at me like did I really just give you ? I said , no , really serious , pastor , you're fat .
Speaker 3You know I'm getting that started . Pastor , you're faithful , you're available and you're teachable . And I said when you're like that , then you're faithful to your congregation and your congregation is going to be faithful . They're going to be teachable , not only when you preach the word , but when we read the word and if you're available to us will be available to you , will be available to the , to the area . So I sort of and that was one of the sermons I lost . So I turned it into fat 2.0 and did it in January and Jen kept looking at her watch , kept looking at her watch and you know I yeah , I went over , but I thought it was really good . So you know , we're always learning yeah , so let me .
Kingdom of God and Daily Life
Speaker 1Let me just read a verse that one of my favorites . First John , chapter 3 , verse 2 beloved , we are God's children now and what we will be has not yet appeared . But we know that when he appears we shall be like him , because we shall see him as he is . And it's kind of what I talk about all the time . It's the already not yet state of the kingdom where , yes , we're children of God now we're being progressively sanctified , being formed at the image of Christ , but it's just a foretaste of what we will be when he returns and we long for his appearing yeah , and the right now is everybody looks forward but we need to also be present .
Speaker 2I think that's so important . I don't want to go too far in the news with that , but it's something I've always appreciated . That you know . Talking to friends of mine who are , you know , christian or you know , but maybe sort of new age , like one friend of mine is or just not Christian , it's like you know , one of my friends who's an agnostic says , you know he doesn't like the idea that this is some sort of dress , rehearsal or test , this particular life . And so I know the right now . You know what you're doing in younger heart right now . What you're doing , pastor , with you know you , with the preaching . It's preparatory , but this is part of eternity . What we are all doing right now is just as important to glorify God as as what we'll be doing a million years for now , when we're back in the cosmic temple , when Heather and heaven and earth are joined again that's right .
Speaker 2Oh , I love your language well , I've been to a couple of your sermon , yeah the cosmic temple .
Speaker 1I love it . Yeah , I look forward to , to the return of Christ . But you're right . Paul says , even in your eating and drinking , do all to the glory of God . And so , yes , you're right . We glorify God now in our work , in our living , and not just in our work , but when we're loving our families , when you're , you know , when you're playing scrabble with Abbey , you , you can do that to the glory of God , as long as you don't beat her too badly .
Speaker 2I don't care what age my opponent is you're going . Maybe this is part of my process where I'm still got to get more sanctified .
Speaker 1But no , I'm not going down so , but we're about out of time . But so we heard and , for anybody listening , you can go back and listen to Jan's podcast episode and she'll tell you how she and bud met . A really interesting story . But the one part that Jan left out is that you stole her from I don't remember this . At least you stole her from a guy named sunny , yeah , you were bird .
Speaker 3You were bird dog and huh well , I mean , hey , if you're stupid enough to sit across the table from her , I'm gonna sit next to her . Oh , fair enough . I mean , he picked her up to go to Sunday evening service and you know , usually we went out to eat somewhere and we went . She says it was a Dairy Queen . It , it wasn't a Dairy Queen , but it was like a Dairy Queen . And so she and Sonny got there first and in a booth and he was sitting on one side , she's sitting on the other side and I'm walking in . I said , man , he's , he's stupid . You take somebody , you sit next to him . You know he's sitting across the tables . All right , dude , you lose .
Speaker 1So I sat next to her and You're like I'm going to pick up this lady who will eventually have purple hair .
Speaker 3Eventually have purple hair . So we were just talking and she was saying , oh yeah , my grass is lying , I got to get a mowed , or whatever . And I said what come and mow it ? There's not . Come and mow it , or some . No , I was supposed to be gone , I was supposed to be leaving , and so I walked up to where Dennis was at Fort Polk and got with him and we went into town and mowed her yard which was and this is no joke her grass was over ankle high . So I got through the front yard , which was smaller than the backyard , and Dennis did the backyard way . We sat inside and talked . So yeah , long story short . Yeah , first date came at a movie theater after we were married .
Speaker 1Yeah , oh yeah , can I ?
Speaker 2use that to transition to rapid fire .
Speaker 1Yeah , I just want to say what if Sunny's listening to this podcast ?
Speaker 2Well , actually , this is why this is going to work so well . So I've got I've got three rapid fire questions for you , something we do with all our guests . So the first one that I've just come up with is whatever happened to Sunny .
Speaker 3He went to Germany and said I'm going to Germany , will you write me ? And she had known him a whole 15 minutes maybe , so after he went to Germany . Who knows , I don't know , he still may be mad at me .
Speaker 2But I'm sure he's hoping that there was a happy ending for Sunny somewhere out there . And then he's got a spouse with purple hair as well . Okay , on a scale of one to 10 . No , I'm going to phrase this differently . How often in your life , however , you want to say this , do people get confused with you conversationally with Idaho , iowa , ohio ?
Speaker 3Ohio , not so much man come on Idaho Iowa .
Speaker 2You get that , idaho .
Speaker 3Iowa it's . How can you get that mixed up ?
Speaker 2I'll be honest with you . That's the same question that I have , matthew , because that's where I'm from .
Speaker 1I mean , we know each other very well and every time I think about your you know history I have to think which state was that again , which ?
Speaker 2I state Well , it's one thing to not remember where somebody's from , but to actually just mix up which state is which ? They're in entirely different regions of the country .
Speaker 1Is it just potatoes of corn ?
Speaker 3Well , I guess they're not teaching geography or American history or something . I mean , I know they're flyover states , but it's not like I've ever lived out on either coast I was corn right .
Speaker 2Iowa is predominantly known for its corn and soy . Yeah , okay .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 3I had a whole bunch of Jimstones and taters . Okay .
Speaker 2Rapid fire . Question Number three this is the last one Potatoes S or an ES when you make it a plural .
Speaker 3I can never remember . I don't care , however you want to put it .
Speaker 1Potato , potato , potato , potato .
Speaker 2I just can't remember , with tomato and potato at that , whether you had an S or an ES to both of them . So that was a selfish question .
Speaker 3I believe it's just S .
Speaker 2Okay , fair enough .
Speaker 3I mean , I barely graduated high school , you know , and I only had to have three years of English .
Speaker 1So you know . So , speaking of food , I'm really interested to know what is your favorite . I know you're picky . What's your favorite local restaurant ?
Speaker 3Favorite local .
Speaker 2Stretch that up to Lexington , because I know you've lived up there .
Speaker 3Fast food or sit down .
Speaker 1Not fast food .
Speaker 3Okay , texas Roadhouse .
Speaker 1Is it Really Okay ?
Speaker 3Yeah , texas Roadhouse .
Speaker 1And you're a big steak and lobster guy .
Speaker 3I love steak and lobster .
Speaker 1I mean the steak around .
Speaker 3And this part of the country . They have probably one of the best steaks yes , in my opinion .
Speaker 1So is it a sin to put A1 or any other sauce on your steak ?
Speaker 3Dude , if you see me putting A1 on a steak , you know it's horrible .
Speaker 2That's . But I have a feeling , by the time all is said and done , that that I'm going to want us to be best friends , because I don't mind A1s , I don't mind barbecue , I love mushrooms , I'll take sauteed onions , but my thought is , if the meat needs the help , get me something else .
Speaker 1Yes , bring me a burger you know put A1 on a burger . My wife puts A1 on everything .
Speaker 3And I mean that's just like putting ketchup on a steak . Come on yeah .
Speaker 1Really Well , I just want to take . I mean , there's nothing better than me than having a good juicy steak without anything . And , like you said , if it needs something , bring me something else . Yeah , Medium rare salt pepper , that was my next question Medium rare , the other man . It goes all through me when I see when I'm with somebody and they order well done .
Speaker 3Not that it's any of my business , but Well , I've had to get over it , because that's the way J&E service is . Well done .
Speaker 2The older I've gotten , the closer to well done . I've had to ask for my steaks .
Speaker 1So why ?
Speaker 2Lord , I'm ready to come home . I don't Because you're more well done , yes Because I , because I am more seasoned and more . I'll just be diplomatic and say , because my insides are more seasoned , it's just better for me to have well done meat for it , because I'll , oh my goodness , back in my twenties . If you , you know , you , take a nice good cut at grade A steak , just walk it near .
Speaker 1The heating source .
Speaker 2And it's to rip the horns off . Walk near a heating surface and it's done .
Speaker 3I used to work at a steakhouse back home when I was on recruiting duty , just for a little bit of extra money . This lady walked in , ordered her steak rare , okay , fine . So they put it on , she goes , is that mine ? They said , yeah , she goes , turn it over . And they turned it over and she goes , all right , put it on a plate . I mean it barely had time to get line marks on it .
Speaker 2I mean that's the way to do it . A friend of mine would just put his in the microwave for five seconds , flip it over to make sure it got that . Just , you know , radiate the surface to kill anything that might be there . Done , I mean , I'm getting warm Beef tartare . I would never do it with hamburger because you know I got a brain in my head . But oh yeah , regular steak , absolutely .
Speaker 1Oh , so we've turned these into non rapid fire questions . But favorite vacation spot would you prefer a beach or mountains ? Mountains that's surprising because you guys go on a lot of cruises .
Speaker 3I love cruising . I mean , yeah , we , and when we're cruising I have to give in and give her a beach day . But I could go on a cruise and stay on the boat . Oh , I'm with you and never get . I don't care if we're in a port , I don't care . If I want to get off , I'll go in and I'll get a little knick knack at dockside and get back on the boat . I'm going to relax . I'm not .
Speaker 2You know , it's nice seeing the things we have seen and but you don't need to get off the boat and climb the heck all over him or anything .
Speaker 3No , I mean , the one stop we made on our Panama Canal cruise , I want to say it was Costa Rica , man they I love parrots , I almost brought a parrot home from Panama Was the parrots and they were just everywhere and it was just fantastic . But other than that , you know , if I'm not on a cruise boat life , you're in the mountains . I mean put me in a mountains , which that doesn't happen too often because , hey , let's go to the beach .
Speaker 1I want to go to the beach . Yeah , yeah , I prefer the mountains too . I mean , I like the beach , don't get me wrong . But yeah , nikki highly prefers the beach , and so that's where we end up getting too many places .
Speaker 2Yeah , just no . No once again . Safety first , that's , that's what rule to live by .
Speaker 1Yeah Well , but it's been great having you on the show . Thank you so much for your love and support of our people here at real life community , church and my family , and we so appreciate everything you and Jan do . And Jan , please forgive us for giving you a hard time about your hair . It's amazing and I'm so grateful that we're just .
Speaker 2We're just jealous because we can't we can't probably get away with that ourselves .
Speaker 3But we did talk about it that she has a little bit left , almost a full tube left over . We're going to redo it before she goes to see her son . Yeah , yes , because he was having a fit .
Speaker 1So so , bud , we'll just leave the people
Faithful, Available, Teachable in Christ
Speaker 1with this . Can you just reiterate how to be fat in Jesus ?
Speaker 3Be fat in Jesus , be faithful , be faithful to the word of God , be faithful to your spouse , be faithful to your church . Most of all , be faithful to Jesus Christ and his shepherd that he's put over you . Be available , be . You know . I have a passport that we have to have when we go cruising . It doesn't have a stamp in it , but I have it . So you know , one day , if God says , hey , you go , I have a passport and I can go , I'm available and I'm available . You know , I'll come cut your yard if you need me to , or I'll bring you dinner or whatever . Just let me know and be teachable . Be teachable because no one is ever right about you know where . Always can learn . We can always . We can always learn you know about the word of God , amen .
Speaker 1Well , thank you again for being here , matthew . It's a joy , as always .
Speaker 2Thank you very much , bud .
Speaker 3Thank you .
Speaker 1I hope you liked it .